“By yourself you can do nothing; seek a friend.
4/25 Panos @ KVSS
This is the 4th time you give me an indirect answer to a simple question. What is your work place and what is your current academic position? Please, login to forum.knolfoundation.org and post an analytical academic CV. I don’t understand your behavior. Do you need special permissions from your institution to post your academic CV in the knol platform? Do you have any CV at all? Please don’t underestimate us. Provide us with specific analytical information about your working position and your educational institution in order to contact and verify that you are a real professor. If you are not willing to answer to this simple question consider this as my final notice, I will then propose to the members to vote for your resignation.
4/25 Panos @ SK
4/25 SK @ Panos
‘respect to the principles of transparency and open participation just like we mentioned in our objectives.’ This bulletin board is as transparent and as open as any and principles of transparency are a given; 100% authenticity is a must for all and any forum. It is just as easy to post here. And we are going to stay with this format…And all those who feel that there is something wrong with KAF should not grumble behind our backs they should air their opinions here openly. We will gladly address all issues.
4/25 Panos@ KVSS
i can really understand Panos . he was shocked and irritated about the KAF drama .
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because of a long walk which i made yesterday, i am thoroughly convinced that Peter Baskerville must be our new knol star . perhaps Panos, AK, KVSS and SK want to change their votes, so we may discuss how to arrange it . this is above all total independent from KAF .
4/24 SK @ Panos
‘…this is not the place for an appropriate conversation’. Why is this not an appropriate place for conversation? We have built this up over many months. KVSS created it as a sample and I saw the potential and made it active and KS (especially KS ) and the team all made it into a successful conversation board. Where did you get the idea that I am thinking in terms of friends and enemies? As I have said that we knollers are all spiritual twins. And some times misunderstandings happen and its no big deal. I always say that if someone misunderstands me then it is my mistake and I never blame the other person. In fact I am a fan of all three: Peter, Murray & Krishan; I am grateful and feel obliged to them for correcting a big wrong. I am hoping that we will all become one single team.
4/24 KVSS @Panos
You are a technology expert. You can search internet. Could you not find where I am working? Is it not there in my knol bio data? Could you not find any paper in any conference in India or abroad where my name is there? You say somebody did background checks?????
4/24 Panos Announcement @ all members and directors
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4/24 SK @ Peter, Murray & Krishan
I have the highest regards for all three of you. I have approached Peter and Krishan earlier to join us. Simply because I am very impressed by your cutting edge knols. Peter the objectives you have expressed here are the goals of most knollers but given the talents of your group you can do a better job. Please don’t say you will not work here with us. We can always compliment and support each other. In fact I am grateful to you three for exposing copy right violations and for this I persnally owe you one.
15,000+ Knol authors
4/24 @ Knol Author Foundation – A note from Peter Baskerville
I do not speak for Murry nor Krishan, but I have no capacity nor intention of “taking over” your organisation. This is the home that has been built by the members here and not by me. I made no contribution to its founding or development and do not believe that it is the place where I can make my greatest contribution to the Knol Project. I wish you all well in your reconstructions but rest assured, KAF will not be part of my world going forward. I will make no more comments or replies here apart from posting a reply that I made to Kalle Schwartz in another Knol. If you wish to leave a comment on any of my Knols, I will courteously respond but I will not enter into any discussions about the future of KAF. It is not my place. Here is my reply (modified) to KS.
It has come to my notice that some people do not like the following that I wrote as my profile: ‘Wisdom (brain) coach, common sense coach, President of research foundation,solver of the mystery of wisdom, antique dealer, inventor, knoller, solver of the mystery why the sperm is tiny and the womens’ egg is huge., NYC, NY’ . The definition of wisdom by the main stream education is still fuzzy. Wisdom to this day is described by its attributes. I am saying that wisdom = +2 emotional intelligence = self mastery all of these are one and the same entity. If you can define one you can define all. I am also saying that wisdom is generated by the highest quality emotionally super mature brain. So wisdom education is brain education. Which in my book means wisdom is generated by a squeaky clean brain which means that if you want to be a wisdom coach you have to be a brain coach; so that you can clean the brain of all emotional baggage/garbage. Common sense coach means the same thing. I do have a couple of US patents and I do own a few US trade marks. I have registered tens of inventions.
4/24 SK @ Peter, Murray & Krishan
I must admit that the professionalism and polish in your knols is something I admire and can never match. But my knols are as original as they come. In fact Prof. Polemini, VP of Turo College the biggest Jewish educational trust in America, they control several universities here and abroad said to me, “Anyone who discovers wisdom deserves the Noble Prize!”. Am I beating my own drums? I am beating my drums to provoke a healthy discussion on my work.
4/24 PG @ Team, PG @ SK, PG @ Peter, Murray & Krishan
4/24 Spiros KAKOS
About the background checks: It is hard to perform such a check if the only thing you have from the others is a name and a surname (at best cases). Because I live in Greece and Google Knol has not installed the feature of “Person Verification” for my country, I have followed a different path for my “self-verification” and “validation”: I have added in my profile a link to my LinkedIn profile, where one can see who I am and other people with whom I cooperate and they know me. I think this is more than nothing.
The foundation has accepted the resignation of Randy as a director. The issue is closed as far as the foundation is concerned.
4/24 SK @ Peter, Murry and Krishan.
I have the utmost respect for you and feel that you have every right to check for any doubts you may have regarding our team. If you find any thing bad about me please post it here. One thing I have learned is to do my job to the best of my ability and to do it as long as it helps the world at large. I have always had main stream experts saying I have no credentials. Yet consider my basic hypothesis, ‘Human nature is partly due to ‘womb-conditioning’. But look at the practical applications of my simple idea. I even have physical inventions that you can hold in your hands that are beneficial to humanity. Please read my knol, ‘Practical applications of quantifying the mind.’ Sometime back Salman Rushdie was saying in an interview that morality is there only because there is a Gd. And thus moral values flow from the scriptures. I say that moral values can flow from the qualities of the +2 super mature mind/brain. Do good because it is the super mature thing to do. Do not commit murder because it is the premature thing to do. Also every society has four levels of individuals, groups and countries. Countries like my beloved India are -1!
4/24 KS @ PG
this whole drama is of a Shakespearean dimension !!!
4/24 SK @ PG
I have the highest regards for your deep knowledge in psychology. Please read my last few postings on this board and consider the following sentence and tell me what you think. I want you to be honest with me. ( and don’t worry about me, if you think my work is BS then say so, I can always even at this age of almost 60, become a poet or fiction writer; and I will quit writing my 1000 knols on wisdom = +2 emotional intelligence = self mastery.)
4/23 Panos @ Team
I believe that the problem is much deeper than most of us think. Peter, Murry and Krishan did a background search for most of us and I was shocked from their discoveries. Those people finally revealed the wrong actions of Randy and we must give them a credit for this at least . I’ve been contacted from this team because I have gain their trust. The reason is simple, they have checked my online background and attitude and they found it clear and non-suspicious. They are still concerned about some leading members of our foundation. I am convinced that they will join our team if we prove that we are all ready to set quality standards for the foundation and define values that will promote the most valuable and quilified members to active positions. This is not just a complaint from Peter, Murry and Krishan. I’ve read several articles in the internet making bad remarks and, unfortunately, some of them are making sense. I’ve been also receiving mails from people warning me about my online colleagues inside this foundation.
It is always a risk when someone makes long distanse cooperations meeting new people. To my mind this is a risk worth taking. We are all in front of a new era of intercontinental online collaborations and we must learn how to live with that. So, what should we do? The first action is to make it clear who is who. I will make a start asking some simple questions our beloved president. I wil also try to build a seperate voting system to invite all members and directors and put their suggestions and vote in order to make our decisions all together. We must decide in respect of the principles of democracy and open participation of all members.
Dear president, please don’t take it personal. I just want to make sense here. I haven’t read any analytical scientific CV of yours and I’m now concerned. Do you have any scientific publications that we can check out your scientific background? In what institution do you work and what is your official position?
I’m quite open to invite Murry Shohat, Peter Baskerville and Krishan Maggon as directors.
The question is: do they wish it?
4/23 SK @ Team
I am taking over from Randy as the executive director for the interim period and we are looking for a new executive director who has to be a US citizen. Nominations can be invited from the existing US members and or we may wait till some more members join from the USA. I hope someone can take over soon as I have plans to take out my Wisdom Express for Mayor Bloomberg just like I had done earlier for then Senator Obama.
Please send me a detailed email of all the information needed to do the job of executive director. I am sorry but copy right infringement is unacceptable not even for one sentence and for this massive scale it is totally intolerable.
@ Knol Help and MM
On behalf of Knol Foundation we would like to apologize for this insanity. You have given us this huge opportunity to bring life’s real chances through education to every corner of the globe and we will do our best not to let you down.
write where ever you want, folks . this is open collaboration .
okay, the appell is dead and gone because of Panos’ resign .
what about two groups ?
kernel I : KVSS, RK, Chrissy, SK, KS .
kernel II : KM, MS, PB .
the others may join one of these groups or both .
the super structure behind this groups is the knol-star tree .
once again my opinion about RK :
the team KM, MS, PB did good work .
but i distinguish between the solo player RK and the group player RK .
i love the group player, the solo player ne m’intéresse pas .
I think we should make an election for the leadership for the foundation.
4/23 Panos@ Peggy Strickland
Thank you Peggy for your comments. I agree with you. This is not a practical way to discuss online. I also believe it is time to make some important decisions.
April 23 – Peggy Strickland
I have been reading the posts for several days.
My head is whirling from trying to make sense of all the back and forth, looking at initials and trying to associate them with the people who are writing, who said what, and whether they may have another agenda.
I have previously communicated via email for clarity.
So now I will post my humble opinion here.
It is obvious that much effort has been put into the search for truth.
The disillusionment that I feel at being made aware is apparent among you all.
And it is a sad thing.
While I commend for their compassion those who would exonerate Randy and his cohorts, I personally would never feel that the integrity of the KAF could be relied upon if he stays in any capacity.
I don’t know if dissolution of the group is the answer, but certainly a major restructuring is in order.
My thanks to those who continue to work for resolution.
4/23 By Krishan Maggon
I had posted some comments and suggestions here for discussions which were marked down by one of KAF director? The latest posting had always stayed on top, why this sudden change? I consider it a naked attempt to manipulate debate. It is a waste of time to post here. I have deleted all my postings. Please respect my wishes and remove my names from all of your membership lists ASAP?
It is copied from a new knol
New Knol Authors Group?
This knol will be unpublished after KAF reforms, if any?
All KAF Directors and Members,
I suggest that you first read the latest news and developments and verify the facts before any new posting.
Knol Site Metrics
An Appeal to all Foundation Members. Please give your opinion on the content policy violation here.
4/23 KS & .. (please sign here)
Today (4/22), we immediately received an e-mail of resignation from Randy K. apologizing for the problems that his actions have caused. My personal opinion for Randy is to make a public appology and remove all the copyrighted knols and keep his position as executive director. Knol Author Foundation is by no means silent or trying to hide anything. We are all humans susceptible to mistakes and bad decisions and all people deserve a second chance.
4/23 SK @ Team
I still think that Randy is very talented and was an effective executive director. If we can work something out with the people whose copyright was violated then perhaps we could keep him.
very good idea .
our cause is much bigger than any one persons blemishes, but it is not bigger than any single person .
things are for persons, persons are not for things .
it’s just because of his hard actual experiences, that Randy is so precious for us .
not to speak from his engagement, which is not in our reach .
and look at his emotional intelligence . chrissy loves him and everybody can see, that he loves chrissy .
so i think, that his e.i. is much more bigger than that of Murry Shohat .
so please sign the above posting . if we all design, perhaps he will keep his position .
but executive director or not, he is knol star and so we will listen to his voice .
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4/23 KS @ SK
to your sharing :
the problem is as old as the patriarchy .
if we get rid of the patriarchy, we will get rid of the problem .
let the girls decide with whom they will sleep .
(google said : “today is girls day” (what a coincidence))
i posted on Murry (knol author foundation) an old comment of mine from 2009-02-02 😉
it’s in the sense of panos (“concerning the executive director position I would prefer to choose it in a more transparent way as a team”) i think .
I am surprised to see this statement as a part of Murry Shohat’s comment on plagiarism knol
Encourage the Knol Authors Foundation to either dissolve or find new leadership based on confirmed authorship of quality Knols, and to establish standards for entry into the group.
———————————————————————————————————————————————————— I gave the following comment on that page and requested all others to visit the bulletin board.
I am surprised to see this suggestion from a knol author. In any association, if there is a problem there will be changes in the organizing structure. But why dissolve an author association being developed to provide a committed authors’ body for knol platform?
The issue of changes required in the association in light of the events is definitely under an open discussion in the author bulletin board.
The membership is open to every knol author as on today. Comment.
@KS Please make the above three entries as a separate block and put a heading as Appeal for all the foundation members. Was it posted by SK?
(KS: ??? . can you explain (perhaps by doing))?
Comment by Murry Shohat
I wish to only double the number of quality ethical authors by helping establish standards. I thought the Foundation would be a good place to build traction. I no longer believe this due to the Randy K incident compounded by his apologists who have no desire to operate openly and transparently. This group will never subvert Knol’s mission, relegating it to merely become an SEO front end for personal profit (which summarizes the group’s chief accomplishment to date).
The Knol Authors Foundation should be offering thanks to the author team that unmasked Randy K (and authors like Peggy Strickland have done this privately). Instead, you block us and refuse to remove our names from the roster. Ugh.
Mr. Murry Shohat
You have an occasion to question the intent of many people. From the association of knol authors there was no bad intention whatsoever. Everything that happened and every comment written by every body is available for scrutiny on the knol platform. We all have wisdom stories that say truth only wins at the end even though many others seem to be dominating at various points of time. With best regards.
@ foundation members
Panos expressed his spontaneous opinion.
Many of them are facts.
He is not an apologist.
Please express your opinion in the light of your experience and knowledge.
4/23 Panos @ SK
I like the slogan.
Concerning the executive director position I would prefer to choose it in a more transparent way as a team. First of all I propose to invite Murry Shohat, Peter Baskerville and Krishan Maggon as directors contributing in the fields that they love and already have great experience with. Krishan is an expert in the biomedical field, and I’ve already exchanged some mails with him discussing the possibility to create a new online biomedical journal. As technology director of Knol Author Foundation I offered him my services in the web design. During the last weeks I didn’t find any creative time to spend on this purpose but I bought a hosting service for 2 years and I donate it to the foundation for building websites. We can also invite Murry Shohat and Peter Baskerville as directors because they are doing an excellent work in their field. Afterwards we can ask all directors if someone wants the position of the executive director (who will be in charge of inviting international members). As a final step we can vote. One of our first goals must be to create standards of how someone can contribute openly and transparently to the foundation.
4/23 SK @ Team
The last two months have been the worst of my life. As you can see I have not written even a dozen knols in this period. I had an approved patent, ‘self mastery for individuals, groups and countries’ (I will post this application as soon as I can as a knol) all I needed was to clear some minor issues with the Patent office. Some how I missed the 3 month deadline. I had a self published book for children. After a long struggle I got one of the top 100 ( A list) agents who wanted to promote this book. Before I was able to sign the contract with her she was diagnosed with cancer. Then I came this close to licensing one of my main patents/inventions with Kraft foods. I would have made millions! Their decision not to go with my invention was 3-4 against it. No wonder you see my photo (the next day ) with Randy, I look so lost and frustrated it is my worst picture ever it was literally like I had lost millions of dollars. Then I had an accident. I have a hurting back. For the first time I now sometimes feel old. My infinity Q35 is not the same car anymore and it cost me 6500.00 to fix out of my own pocket. I only had liability insurance. To top it all I was going through the red light and the other guy was right. It was the cop’s fault. He signaled me to keep driving. Fortunately the accident happened where nearby a lot of people were sitting on benches. Over 10 people came over as witnesses saying that it was the cop’s fault. So if I want to recover anything I will have to sue NY City. And I have never sued anyone in my life. But in all this I thought that in my life I have done one good thing and I was always happy thinking about our team/family and felt happy about our activities and that I have pushed our foundation along with my team. With KVSS to Panos I felt I would eventually bring big chances/changes to all corners of the world.
Now this revelation that our very own Randy has violated our trust is so unbelievable. If it is true then it is unacceptable that anyone let alone our executive director can take someone else’s writing and substituted his own name to it. We must accept his resignation and move on. Our cause is much bigger than any one persons blemishes.
@ Krishan Maggon
Sir, would you be interested in becoming our executive director? I am sure the rest of the team will want a person of your talent. I was about to file the next stage of papers to get non-profit status. Now I have to find out how I can take out Randy and put a new name in. But before I do anything further I will need to have a name.
I am sorry and just as embarrassed as if it happened to me because I think that the team is all my family. When we had our meeting we covered copy right laws and I just cannot understand how a thing like this can happen. I am sorry to say but I would like to rescind the award that was given to you. Please mail it back to me @ 2 union place, Ridgefield Park, NJ 07660. The W200.00 ear rings you can keep because I still love you and I still wish you the best. We can still keep Chrissy as part of the team if her knols are clear.
How about our main slogan being ‘Bringing life’s real chances through education, to all corners of the globe.’
[ Bringing change is so everyone else ]
As long as I have you and the rest of the team it is going to be fine. My 400 knols are just the appetizer and I was just getting started. I was now going to get into the more serious business of doing something that I do not know if anyone else has done. Analyzing my own emotional holes that I was in and describing them from inside out and out side in. I grew up extremely nervous, shy and depressed. I was in many emotionally deep holes. So I thought if I shared my struggles of how and why I got into them and how I climbed out of them may be my own struggles and triumphs can be a template for other people who get trapped in similar circumstances. Lots of the details will be embrassing for me but my large aim is to help others in similar circumstances so my own feelings are not important to me. To give you an example:
My love life.
Because of my extreme shyness and nervousness I was made fun of; so my life was only about experiencing one embarrassment after another. All my young life I was hungry for love and attention. In my early twenties I was desperately looking for love. All those girls who showed interest in me I did not think of much and the ones who rejected my affection were the ones I longed for! Then I came across this goregeous girl and I started chasing her. She became my obsession. She kept saying no to my advances and she kept saying we are just friends. I said to her that I wanted to marry her. I showered her with gifts. I treated her to the best restaurants. It took me three years before she finally said yes! I was in 7th++++ heaven. I never was before or after ever sooooo happy in my life. Even to this day when I want to feel relaxed I try to recreate that happiness. This happiness lasted me a mere 3 days. On the 3rd day I woke up at 4 in the morning and I realized that it was a mistake and she was not for me!
So I ended this relationship by saying to her that we will have to move to my farm 1200 miles away ( I knew she was from a village and had hated her earlier village life). She said that I was crazy and our relationship ended.
So I became depressed that perhaps I am really crazy! I chase this girl for three years and spend 100s of 1000s of rupees on her, I even made my mom angry when I gave this girl a family heirloom and when she agrees to marry me I promptly fall out of love!
I analyzed and I analyzed my behavior. Do you know what I found? I had no confidence in my own self. I was thinking that I am a no body. In fact I thought that I was less than ordinary. So when a girl wants to settle down with me that means she can’t be all that good her self! When a girl goes for a less then ordinary guy like me she must be ordinary too. So all those girls who were willing to consider marriage were too ordinary like me so were of no interest to me. All those who were rejecting me must be good for they wanted some one real good which I was not. Thus as long this girl said no she was the one for me and as soon as she said yes then how could she be good as she was approving an ordinary guy like me!
I want to share such life episodes because I am sure others are out there trapped in similar emotional holes. What do you think? Will this sharing be helpful?
I turned in my resignation. Please go to
I hope Murry, Peter and Krishan will join and help the foundation grow. They have the talent to do it, and do it properly.
reading this knol http://knol.google.com/k/krishan-maggon/knol-site-metrics/3fy5eowy8suq3/42 I realized that it’s not just about copyrights. Murry Shohat and Peter Baskerville and Krishan Maggon are making a good point when they say that we don’t have established standards for entry into the group of directors and they feel we are not as open as we should. As I have mentioned many times in the past (here in the Bulletin Board) people are ALWAYS suspicious to new efforts specially in the the beginning. I have many simillar experiences in Greek projects. Unfortunatelly, this time I believe that Randy’s mistake may heart the future of the foundation because Murry Shohat, Peter Baskelville and Krishan Maggon are very active knolers and very passionate about the future of Knol. This makes them feel we are a private club of people with the purpose of self-promoting. This time, I strongly believe that we must prove that this isn’t the case. I propose to dissolve any suspicion by:
1) by declaring that currenlty Knol Author Foundation is an “open-source” project and not a classical established organization. This means that positions are still opened and we still experiment in new ideas about the organization structre inside the foundation.
2) by making clear that unfortunatelly only a few people showed interest in the discussion inside the bulletin board of the organization (although Randy invited all new members). ALL active members in the bulletin board are currenlty holding a position. Therefore we did’t select our best friends to create an online organization. The doors are always opened to anyone and Randy were always kind enough to invite new members.
3) we must invite namely and publicly those three authors ( Murry Shohat and Peter Baskerville and Krishan Maggon) to be directors of the foundation and continue their excellent work (that they already do) inside the Knol Author Foundation. Peter Baskerville is an expert in internet marketing, Krishan Maggon is an expert in the biomedical field and all together with Murry Shohat are doing an ecxellent work. In my opinion we should have already invited them to hold positions inside the foundation.
4) More transparency. Invite all authors and directors to propose their ideas how we can create a more effective organization structure in order to be more transparent and effective to accomplish our purposes. We are all making a novel effort here and we need all the participation we can get. We must set standarts and invite all members to help us determine the standards. All active knolers with the ambition to contribute more must definitely hold a position inside the Knol Author Foundation. As an online organization we can hold unlimited different projects at the same time
Unfortuntelly KAF didn’t’ produce any practical results untill now because directors have limited time to work online, myself included. This doesn’t mean that we don’t have good intentions. I believe that you did a great job as founders of the KAF but in the future, in order to success we must be more open to invite people who are hard working and propose them to work along with us and hold new positions, according to their special skills. I can’t find a reason why we must not invite those 3 people. I strongly believe that this is the only way to prove to everybody (and specially to google team) that we are a trustworthy foundation where honor and justice are beeing served as it is supposed to be. Randy insists in resigning. He is still a founding member and this honorable position can’t ever change.
I am happy to learn from you that 100 new authors have come up in German language. I shall be very happy if everyday 100 new authors come up combining all languages. Do you think authors are joining in such numbers every day?
“I haven’t meet Randy K. in person, since this is an intercontinental online participation project, but If you read carefully all post conversations (all are open to public acess in knol platform) you will see that Randy encouraged international participation of authors in Knol platform and, to my knowledge, he never encouraged other members to violate any copyright laws. On the contrary, he is devoted in inviting new members and kindly encouraging authors to participate and collaborate in the project. This is not an easy task to accomplish. Randy has never suggested to the KAF team any kind of personal agenda and in our online chats he always seeked for new ideas and advices for his own actions. His participation and his devotion to the project inspired me and many others to participate. This is the main reason why Randy K was honored as a main Knol Star and NOT because he has writen many articles. You see, we are not all interested in outdoor activities.” Couldn’t have said it better . (I beg your pardon because I didn’t ask for the copy right permission)
Please look at my post 4/11 KS . Perhaps I should translate the german part in english .
4/22 Panos @ Krishan Maggon
I really don’t understand why you are talking about the “silent majority of authors and members of the KAF”. We have endorsed discussions over the copyright laws and inflictions several times. Even in your new interesting idea of creating an online Journal of Therapeutic Biotechnology I personally initiated a discussion about possible copyright problems in your knol. I believe that since now the bulletin board of KAF deserves credit for encouraging this kind of discussions.
However, this is the first time I read about a copyright violation from a member of the KAF. From the begining it was made clear that Knol platform was specially designed to auto-detect copyright violations. Knol google team has analytical statistical data for every author and It’s virtually impossible to copy many articles without being cought. This is the technology miracle of the internet era and to my mind it’s quite stupid for someone to believe that he can go away from this.
I haven’t meet Randy K. in person, since this is an intercontinental online participation project, but If you read carefully all post conversations (all are open to public acess in knol platform) you will see that Randy encouraged international participation of authors in Knol platform and, to my knowledge, he never encouraged other members to violate any copyright laws. On the contrary, he is devoted in inviting new members and kindly encouraging authors to participate and collaborate in the project. This is not an easy task to accomplish. Randy has never suggested to the KAF team any kind of personal agenta and in our online chats he always seeked for new ideas and advices for his own actions. His participation and his devotion to the project inspired me and many others to participate. This is the main reason why Randy K was honored as a main Knol Star and NOT because he has writen many articles. You see, we are not all interested in outdoor activities.
The two issues should not be mixed. Foundation members have not given 300,000 page views to Randy’s knols. Neither they made him the writer number 2 of knol. The foundation is a spontaneous formation of online community with some objectives agreed once again online. Additional members joined the foundation by observing some online materials.
Now that there is a problem, the foundation members have to come together and think through the issue and take steps to provide the right path to authors.
Constructive attitude has to dominate the thinking rather than destructive attitude. Destroying people and institutions should not drive creative efforts.
4/22 AK@Krishan Maggon
Hello Krishan Maggon,
thank you for the information. I’m also shocked.
I just read yet the statement from Randy. He sent us an e-mail. He said that he has posted copyrighted pages without permission. He said he will resigning from Knol and deleting all his knols. He said he has disgraced the Foundation.
It’s very good that he has posted this statement. I have respect for what he has done for the foundation and I don’t want that he resign from Knol.
Thanks to Randy’s statement we have time to talk about what to do now and to talk about copyright infringement.
I am not able understand the meaning of your statement. Are you saying that that there are 100 authors in German language. Or are you saying 100 new authors joined in the last few days?
Have you seen the author recruitment knol translated by Kalle Scwarz.?
Anwerbung von Knol-Autoren . Verdoppele die Anzahl der Knol-Autoren (german translation)
What is your opinion of the idea?
I think we are yet to understand the google gold (the blood) and whuffy, the heart that circulates the blood and the body that creates the blood as well as heart and ensures that it grows. We will understand at some point in time as you are repeatedly explaining to us and implement it. As I told SK you may feel you have a logical solution to a problem, but others may not feel so. It may take some time for them to see the picture that you can imagine and see in a phenomena.
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How Induction Lamps work
The Nervous System and Brain
THE GLOBAL BRAIN, THE SEMANTIC WEB, SINGULARITY and 360-2020 CONSCIOUSNESS
My Opinion Of America
“every single individual has to be offered a certain minimum of some viable currency to live a basically healthy, educated and respectful life.“
that’s a very popular idea in germany . we call it “bürger-geld” (cityzen money) .
money is like blood a circulatory system . but the circulation doesn’t work .
whuffy may start a circulation . but there must be a circulation, which enables whuffy .
the pledges start whuffy . so money -> (whuffy -> doing something -> whuffy) -> money is the circulation .
the google-gold auction provide us with fresh money, so we can change our whuffys and the circulation goes on . but the google-gold auction can only take place, if there is a guarantee that the game (slumdog millionaire) continues . if the team agrees, we may test it . i guarantee 1000 $ . so we can at least make 9 auctions (one or two per month).
btw. this is a strong motivation to become a knol author, because only knol authors can take part on the auction .
“how do you think online writing will be rewarded?“
by whuffy .
Since the promotion there are 134 new Knols in German language, more than 100 new Authors. I got more than 12.000 impressions in one day. The Australian, the Arabian and the Spanish Google-Search are also promoting Knol.
|One of my Knols. At April 21th Knol was promoted at the German Google Search Site.|
It is very good.
How many German knol authors are there. Any count?
The German Google Search-Site promotes Knol. In the last two hours I got more than 1.300 impressions 🙂
My knol Knol Author Recruitment – Double the Number of Knol Authors had 82 page views so far. I am tracking the activity on the knol to record how a campaign of this sort evolves. One needs experience to do things in future more effectively and efficiently.
My Comment on
Content Policy Administration
Knol management has to give somebody the responsibility content policy administration. A content policy is stated by knol and it may be monitoring the evolving content. There were some statements by some authors that their content was flagged. But I have not seen any case being reported so far specifically in any knol with reasons given. So if knol content policy administrator, gives the content policy violations seemed excessive to warrant a punishment by flagging off the knol, and informing some cases with reasons authors will come to make a better sense of content policy. A flagged knol should be given a badge as a knol flagged and should be made unpublished. If the knol author wants to republish that knol once again it has to go to content policy administration for clearance. Because certain issues were raised aggressively a group of persons, the importanceof role of comments, reviews and even links in ranks and badges of knol may be reviewed.
I do not know much of these manipulations, gaming and accusations. I felt visitors come when there is some useful material which is relevant. My knols and posts which come even as number one in google search come so not because of comments, reviews or links but because they are unique in discussing a theme. They are not based on any key word optimization. They are based on my evolution of my thinking on a subject.
But still google search, and knol search have to develop algorithms to come out search lists. They have to put in a logic and only some persons who know their importance can request others to take care of such support infrastructure. Despite knol suggesting many times that ask somebody to review your knols etc., many knol authors did not use this feature. Neither we did reviews. We did not have time even to create some knols we wanted to write. Only three to four authors took this recommendation of knol management seriously and made arrangements for review of their knols. There are being attacked now saying that they arranged for review.
Let knol management go into their stated content policy and then do an independent examination to the extent possible and come out with a status paper on content policy compliance and elaboration of guidelines.
Thank you for the German translation. Whuffy accounting is by you. You can transfer whuffy to the extent you do not make my account minus.
Why don’t you allow adsense in your knols? What is the reason for it? How do you think online writing will be rewarded?
We understand the importance of knol star now. When members in a group are busy to participate, online group decision making depends on knol stars. Knol star’s vote carries the weight of members he is authorized to represent. But still when issues are to be thought out really and critically, participation is essential to make sure that we are not doing something logically wrong. A critical issue itself came out from some lapse. The issue may be very minor despite its critical nature. If we do not examine it in detail with active participation, the problem expands for no reason.
4/20 KS @ KVSS
Anwerbung von Knol-Autoren . Verdoppele die Anzahl der Knol-Autoren (german translation)
does 7 w 🙂
4/19 SK @ KS
Some of the criticism against me is legitimate given the standards of how scientific research is expected to be conducted and how its findings are supposed to be reported today. I am trying to tell them to keep their standards but once in a while they have to make exceptions. Even though I do not have any degrees let alone a PhD, all my life all I have done is to study why I was nervous, shy and depressed. And I have tried to find answers from every possible angle. I looked for clues in the ideas starting from the first Prophet Zoroaster to Baha’ullah. From the ancient philosophers to Jesus, Montaigne to Goethe, Lin U Tang and Gandhi. From Shakespeare to A J Libling to Steven Pinker and Noam Chomsky. I searched for clues to understand my self better. Most researchers do their research and then make a living from it. Thankfully many become teachers and thus continue their research. I am one of those who you can say are serial researchers. And I have an advantage over most other researchers. I have had the privilege to research nervousness inside out and outside in. I love and respect science and scientists but I want to point out that science is not all crystal clear or black and white. There is a lot of gray area in science especially when it comes to wisdom and if I am making it less gray then examine it for what it is and not discard it just because I cannot write a scientific paper on it. ( I guess I can even do that but I want to stick to my guns)
If I tell the world of science that the truth about wisdom that I have found is closer to the truth about wisdom then what is officially known; they are not interested unless I have found the truth about wisdom in their standard scientific way; no matter how close to the truth I may be. It is like the scientist is lost in the forest and I am telling him how to get out of it. He refuses to listen to me unless I can satisfy him that I used all the standard scientific tools of inquiry to find the way out of the forest. Science wants the truth, in fact science is desperate for finding clues to the very nature of consciousness and wisdom but only if one arrives at it by way of their well laid out rules of the scientific path.
Whether it is one person or many as far as the criticism of my knols go I will be honored if the person could critique my work and rip it apart word by word and sentence by sentence; he can even do it as an anonymous knoller. I would love a healthy discussion on my work. In fact I would like to offer W100.00 ($100.00) to the first one who takes this offer.
I was thinking of your whuffy. It is a very noble idea. Every single individual has to be offered a certain minimum of some viable currency to live a basically healthy, educated and respectful life. It has to be an international standard currency on lines of the World Banks SDR (which is just paper money) but real. We have to keep researching it till we find a viable model. Did you know that Ecuador abolished its own currency and adopted the US dollar as its official currency and now their standard of living has actually gone up? This Ecuadorean effect must be studied very seriously and thoroughly researched to extract better understanding of what happened there and why.
It is interesting that my knol ‘horniness’ did get awarded ‘Top Pick Knol Award’ but as soon as some professional said that it was BS the knol analog immediately took this award off! I guess the analog is all too human after all. Which is good. (By the way the main criticism was that horniness is only because of hormones and that I don’t know what I am talking about. I guess he does not see the following:
Results 1 – 10 of about 300,000 for sex addiction and horniness. (0.28 seconds)
i don’t think it’s a group . i think it is always the same person which writes under different names .
My knol Knol Author Recruitment – Double the Number of Knol Authors had 47 page views so far. I hope the message is acceptable for more persons.
There is message for Wisconsin Knol Author Meet from Don White, Teacher, Madison, WI,
“Thanks for the invite. I’ll be at the Kalahari this weekend, so won’t be able to attend. Glad that you are setting up the group!”
Congratulations Randy – Page views crossed 3,00,000.
It is also nice that your knol portfolio got 100,000 visitors in less than 2 months. Keep it up.
knol Author Recruitment – Double the Number of Knol Authors has got four endorsements so far. Hope more authors agree to the idea.
Yes visited the knol – Global Brain. I visited it earlier also. SK made the comment inviting the author to foundation.
Do you want to make any comment on the marketing activities of google knol. Go to the knol wisdom council and make your entry. I want to consolidate and bring it before the knol team. While the technology side of knol is very active and has improved the platform, marketing side is relatively inactive and inaccessible to knol authors so far.
i found a very interesting article :
what a young woman thinks of AI and the semantic web, human IQ-EQ and the global brain
my comment :
and an entry into my favorite list
+ 5 w(huffy)
would be happy if twain becomes a new member to the foundation.
I welcome a new member to the Foundation
Salvador García Bardón – Brussels, Belgium
.< board 2009